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Has civility on ASR declined recently?

AdamG

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I am a new member. Just been here for a week or so and was lurking for a month or so before that. All in all I am very impressed with the knowledge and courtesy of the forum members and their willingness to go out of their way to help others who share a similar passion. Having said the I see several strings of posts where it becomes a "multilogue" with in a small group and that is a formula for losing the civility. I would suggest these people should take their discussions offline and DM each other.

Notwithstanding, compared to what is happening everywhere in the social media and in Washington, I am willing to give high Kudos to the participants in these forums and the volunteers who run them. I have personally benefitted from many of the posts on class "D" which helped me make sip in to the new technology by buying a Hypex unit.
 

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All I remember was that if it was a UFC Main event; Attilah The Hun would be the odds-favorite against Genghiz Khan.
Confirmed: "Attila was born in what is now Hungary in about 406. Attila became sole ruler of the Huns after murdering his brother Bleda, his co-ruler. While he was intelligent and simple in his dress and habits, he had a violent temper..."

Where is the 'closet' @AdamG247 ?
 

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Thanks for the info. I was not sure if that was something initiated by the member or by Amir. I was actually sorry to see this particular member leave. He sounded as if he could have provided some valuable insights if he could have just accepted that he was not always indisputably right. His tone in his last few posts that I read had softened considerably, so I was surprised when I saw his account was deleted.
I remember him. Very eloquent but quite off-putting at times.
 

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And there are also scientists-turned-engineers… (I doubt there are successful engineers-turned-scientists out there :) )
This reminds me of my father (an MD) asserting that MDs were de facto scientists and causing a rather large family argument.

He spent most of his career as a researcher, so he had a claim for himself.
 

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This reminds me of my father (an MD) asserting that MDs were de facto scientists and causing a rather large family argument.

He spent most of his career as a researcher, so he had a claim for himself.
We used to run the other way when MDs were workin' in the lab. :)
That said:
1) I've worked with, and for, some MD PhDs ("mud-phuds" as they're known in the trade) who were outstanding scientists. The best ones have lots of pragmatic insight into what's important clinically, which is a nice adjunct to basic research (and even for process development).
2) Some chatter above about engineers "versus" scientists. I have also had the privilege to work with some bioprocess engineers who also had excellent scientific chops. They tended to come out of MIT, and, even more specifically, out of the late"Danny" I.C. Wong's lab.
Chief among them: a chap called Brian Kelley, now a member of the US National Academy of Engineering. I am proud to call BK a colleague and (at least in the professional sense) a friend.


Science & engineering are different things, but there's an overlapping and very practical space when it comes to reduction to practice (IME and IMO, that is). The fundamental difference 'twixt the two was crystallized for me a couple of years ago by then freshly minted Nobel laureate William Kaelin.
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Friend of mine who is a mechanical engineer, between 2000 and 2010 worked for three companies that were acquired by Berkshire Hathaway after he hired on with them. Of course B-H always talked about how things would improve, and things weren't changing much blah, blah, blah. Each time he and many others were let go as part of "Improving the company" right about the middle of December. Always great news just before Christmas. After the 1st two times he was really down in the dumps when his 3rd company was acquired by B-H. In each case they assured anyone asking that such was not happening and right out of the blue with no warning their jobs were gone.

There are business reasons such things happen at the end of a year, and for not letting on that any such thing is about to happen. To humans working somewhere of course, there is probably no worse time to get such news.
 

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There are business reasons such things happen at the end of a year, and for not letting on that any such thing is about to happen. To humans working somewhere of course, there is probably no worse time to get such news.

I wonder, are Americans aware that stuff like this only happens in the States? Most other countries have laws that don't allow these kinds of practices.
 

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Friend of mine who is a mechanical engineer, between 2000 and 2010 worked for three companies that were acquired by Berkshire Hathaway after he hired on with them. Of course B-H always talked about how things would improve, and things weren't changing much blah, blah, blah. Each time he and many others were let go as part of "Improving the company" right about the middle of December. Always great news just before Christmas. After the 1st two times he was really down in the dumps when his 3rd company was acquired by B-H. In each case they assured anyone asking that such was not happening and right out of the blue with no warning their jobs were gone.

There are business reasons such things happen at the end of a year, and for not letting on that any such thing is about to happen. To humans working somewhere of course, there is probably no worse time to get such news.

Only tangentially related (from me? imagine that?! ;) ) but this is a bon mot I share with students in my Introduction to Glycobiology course.

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... well, I like it. :cool:

I have been on both sides of those end of the year massacres over the course of my career -- "survivor syndrome" is, as I reckon many of you know, a very real thing. :(
 

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I wonder, are Americans aware that stuff like this only happens in the States? Most other countries have laws that don't allow these kinds of practices.
Some are aware, but mostly words like Socialism are tossed out and flags are flown until talk of job securities fade.
Several of my neighbors have No Socialism signs in their yard.
 
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