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Right on Ray, you get the picture...deploy above...elevation.
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The Chinese tried something similar - and failed.
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https://www.extremetech.com/extreme...-buyers-report-shoved-towards-model-s-instead
Tesla Model 3 Buyers Report Being Shoved Towards Model S Instead
As others on Reddit have pointed out (hat tip to Jalopnik) this is highly misleading for a few reasons. One, while the “average pretax selling price of $57K” may be technically true, it’s only practically true for the handful of wealthy investors and individuals who have taken delivery of the car already. Since the base price of the car is supposed to be $35,000, the $57K figure means Tesla is at least in part making you purchase expensive add-ons and doesn’t offer the vehicle without them yet. The less expensive cars are arriving later this year.
But Tesla not only doesn’t want you to wait, it doesn’t want you to buy the Model 3 at all. According to the letter, the pre-tax credits you get with the Model 3 are going to expire by the end of 2017. Other redditors report being told those tax credits could be gone as early as September. This is flatly ludicrous. It’s true that these tax credits will expire, once Tesla sells 200,000 vehicles, but the company has several quarters before it’ll be near that point. No reasonable projection of Tesla’s sales has them hitting it in 2017, unless Elon just figured out how to ship 2x more cars per quarter, overnight.
Second, the letter states that the $7,500 tax credit will expire. This is a beautiful demonstration of how companies lie without technically lying. It’s true that the $7,500 tax credit expires, but the tax benefits don’t go away — they diminish. Once Tesla has shipped 200,000 vehicles, the tax break drops to $3,750. That’s a significant cut, to be sure, but the letter doesn’t try to clarify the situation. It could have said “The $7,500 Federal Tax Credit will be cut to $3,750.” It doesn’t.
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Now, how much did Tesla craft this message? I don’t know. But the fact that multiple people have reported getting similar letters supports the idea that this was something management decided to try to see if it would work, only to pull back now and blame it on some low-level flunkies.
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Seems like aggressive salesman technique to me rather than corporate policy but who knows...
Tesla Model 3 Buyers Report Being Shoved Towards Model S Instead
As others on Reddit have pointed out (hat tip to Jalopnik) this is highly misleading for a few reasons. One, while the “average pretax selling price of $57K” may be technically true, it’s only practically true for the handful of wealthy investors and individuals who have taken delivery of the car already. Since the base price of the car is supposed to be $35,000, the $57K figure means Tesla is at least in part making you purchase expensive add-ons and doesn’t offer the vehicle without them yet. The less expensive cars are arriving later this year.
But Tesla not only doesn’t want you to wait, it doesn’t want you to buy the Model 3 at all. According to the letter, the pre-tax credits you get with the Model 3 are going to expire by the end of 2017. Other redditors report being told those tax credits could be gone as early as September. This is flatly ludicrous. It’s true that these tax credits will expire, once Tesla sells 200,000 vehicles, but the company has several quarters before it’ll be near that point. No reasonable projection of Tesla’s sales has them hitting it in 2017, unless Elon just figured out how to ship 2x more cars per quarter, overnight.
Second, the letter states that the $7,500 tax credit will expire. This is a beautiful demonstration of how companies lie without technically lying. It’s true that the $7,500 tax credit expires, but the tax benefits don’t go away — they diminish. Once Tesla has shipped 200,000 vehicles, the tax break drops to $3,750. That’s a significant cut, to be sure, but the letter doesn’t try to clarify the situation. It could have said “The $7,500 Federal Tax Credit will be cut to $3,750.” It doesn’t.
[...]
Now, how much did Tesla craft this message? I don’t know. But the fact that multiple people have reported getting similar letters supports the idea that this was something management decided to try to see if it would work, only to pull back now and blame it on some low-level flunkies.
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Seems like aggressive salesman technique to me rather than corporate policy but who knows...
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Elon Musk and Tesla and his rocket to Mars ...
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• http://www.bravotv.com/blogs/elon-musk-flies-18-hours-to-see-amber-heard-and-talk-about-his-emotions
EMotion, that's the car from the above post.
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• http://www.bravotv.com/blogs/elon-musk-flies-18-hours-to-see-amber-heard-and-talk-about-his-emotions
EMotion, that's the car from the above post.
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https://www.engadget.com/2017/08/25/volkswagen-diesel-cheating-prison-sentence/
Former Volkswagen engineer James Liang is taking the fall for his employers sins. Liang has been sentenced to 40 months in federal prison, and has been ordered to pay a $200,000 fine for his part in the German automaker's deception about diesel emissions. That fine is 10 times the amount prosecutors were seeking, according to Reuters. While his defense argued for house arrest considering he'd only "blindly executed" his marching orders out of "misguided loyalty."
The prosecution had other ideas, and felt that a prison sentence would "send a powerful deterrent message" to the rest of the auto industry.
Bloomberg reports that VW went as far as operating a top-secret test site for its diesel emissions, so as to hide its trickery.
"Some engineers used the research facility in Wolfsburg, Germany, to upload the software that manipulated regulatory emissions checks," one of the publications sources said. More than that, the test facility was apparently not too far from the main executive tower and had:
"Unusually tight security rules that prevented access to those not involved in the project, including high-level employees who could enter all other development sites," Bloomberg writes.
This suggests that Volkswagen's claims that its higher-ups had no idea about the emissions coverups may not hold any water.
The automaker's top emissions compliance officer Oliver Schmidt is scheduled to be sentenced in Detroit on December 6th. He's already plead guilty. could serve up to seven years in prison, and pay up to $400,000 in fines for his involvement in the scandal.
Former Volkswagen engineer James Liang is taking the fall for his employers sins. Liang has been sentenced to 40 months in federal prison, and has been ordered to pay a $200,000 fine for his part in the German automaker's deception about diesel emissions. That fine is 10 times the amount prosecutors were seeking, according to Reuters. While his defense argued for house arrest considering he'd only "blindly executed" his marching orders out of "misguided loyalty."
The prosecution had other ideas, and felt that a prison sentence would "send a powerful deterrent message" to the rest of the auto industry.
Bloomberg reports that VW went as far as operating a top-secret test site for its diesel emissions, so as to hide its trickery.
"Some engineers used the research facility in Wolfsburg, Germany, to upload the software that manipulated regulatory emissions checks," one of the publications sources said. More than that, the test facility was apparently not too far from the main executive tower and had:
"Unusually tight security rules that prevented access to those not involved in the project, including high-level employees who could enter all other development sites," Bloomberg writes.
This suggests that Volkswagen's claims that its higher-ups had no idea about the emissions coverups may not hold any water.
The automaker's top emissions compliance officer Oliver Schmidt is scheduled to be sentenced in Detroit on December 6th. He's already plead guilty. could serve up to seven years in prison, and pay up to $400,000 in fines for his involvement in the scandal.
Something comparable:
Wall Street biggies stole [and is still stealing] $100 of billions [probably trillions] from the regular investor & the taxpayer.
Who do they send to jail to satisfy the public?
Martha Stewart.
iridium.
Wall Street biggies stole [and is still stealing] $100 of billions [probably trillions] from the regular investor & the taxpayer.
Who do they send to jail to satisfy the public?
Martha Stewart.
iridium.
2018 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 1LE
POWERTRAIN:
YES
@Thomas savage
It goes around corners.
http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro-sports-car/1le-packages#
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/auto/2018-chevrolet-camaro-zl1/preview/
POWERTRAIN:
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YES
@Thomas savage
It goes around corners.
http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro-sports-car/1le-packages#
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/auto/2018-chevrolet-camaro-zl1/preview/
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