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Canon 6D Mark II: lower cost full frame DSLR

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I have not kept up with compact cameras so no suggestion to offer there. Years ago I did get a Canon G series compact camera but found the image quality so poor compared to my DSLR that I gave up on using it.

The Sony mirrorless cameras are quite small so perhaps a small zoom with it may be a superb alternative to a compact camera. My son has the a7 mark ii and I could not believe how small it was compared to my DSLR cameras.
 

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I had a couple of Canon G versions, too, but after the RX100 series came out they were no longer competitive in size or picture quality.

Guess I will need to start digging around on dpReview.
 

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Guess I should even attempt to discuss my ole Canon PowerShot A620 :(
 

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I have some old Olympus glass, but bought a couple of nice L lenses plus a big Tamron when I bought the D6, so Canon it is for me... We had several smaller models and I liked them so decided to go with Canon. At the time the 6D was a fairly clear winner over Nikon (I don't remember for sure but think Nikon did not have a comparable model at the time).

I used DPReview and Imaging Resource (http://www.imaging-resource.com/) for much of my research several years ago. There were a few other sites I checked out but those two were the main ones (seemed to have the most info and be most credible).
 
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There are so many bodies, brands and options that researching can be super difficult. I have spent days and days researching for my second body and it is never ending. Between reading reviews, watching reviews, and tons of forum posts, it can be a full time job and you still don't get all the information you really need. Autofocus performance and tracking is an example that is hard to quantify through research.
 

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Frank Dernie wrote: "I find most modern digital cameras unnecessarily complex to use."
Totally agree, and most new cars are MAXIMUM unnecessarily complex as a car. People got to have this & they gotta have that, and then the car breaks and they wonder why it cost $5,000.00 to fix.
Back to cameras; at least when your $2,000 camera breaks it is time for a new one anyway.

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Frank Dernie wrote: "I find most modern digital cameras unnecessarily complex to use."
Totally agree, and most new cars are MAXIMUM unnecessarily complex as a car. People got to have this & they gotta have that, and then the car breaks and they wonder why it cost $5,000.00 to fix.
Back to cameras; at least when your $2,000 camera breaks it is time for a new one anyway.

iridium.
Luckily for me I haven't had a car break for a long time, but it is true I did once think to myself how annoying it would be if I couldn't drive a car because the electrically adjustable seat was stuck in my wife's position, meaning I can't get into it. I have a cheaper car with a seat on conventional runners now.
OTOH without modern digital engine management systems the fuel consumption of the increasingly big and heavy vehicles we have now would be horrendous!
 
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Since I have been collecting lenses for 40 years or so I have manual and auto lenses from many manufacturers and the Sony A7 appeals since it is tiny and, being mirrorless, has a very short "film" register making it possible to fit almost any lens made using an adapter. I have an adapter which can autofocus 1930s Leica lenses, which is more fun than useful, but hey!
From Canon's first autofocus EOS I bought, a 620, until about 10 years ago I used Canon EOS for most things and a Leica for non-zoom and non-telephoto stuff. In the end I tried others because I was missing pictures because changing settings took so long, particularly going to manual focus for when foreground vegetation was in focus and the main subject wasn't. This eventually annoyed me so much I got rid of my EOS 5D.
If I could only have one camera now it would be the Olympus OM-D E-1, a superb small light camera with a brilliant range of lenses which are also light for their performance.
On a practical rather than geeky side whilst its resolution spec isn't as high as my Sony in real terms it isn't an issue. Firstly only a tiny minority of lenses have high enough resolution to show any difference on a high resolution sensor, and pretty well all of them are the specialist prime lenses very few amateurs use, and then only if using a very rigid tripod on a very clear haze free day. Secondly tests I have done on print resolution show that whilst the convention of 300 dpi on prints is the limit beyond which a finer pitch is totally invisible, for me 200dpi is looks the same unless examining the print with a loupe, which means for 8x10 prints 3 megapixels is plenty :)
So I think at my age choosing a camera which I actually am prepared to carry everywhere is better than a theoretically superior one which lives in a drawer...
 
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Any suggestions for a Sony RX100 upgrade?

I'm assuming you want something with interchangeable lenses, not a compact. I've no idea about compacts.

It depends exactly what you want to prioritise.
If you want to track fast moving things you need a big DSLR, or possibly the new Sony a9.
If you don't need all the tracking quality you can get your choices open way up, and you can trade minor image quality reductions for smaller size. I subscribe to the view that all modern proper cameras are more than good enough quality.

I think the major factors are.
1) Ergonomics, including size, weight.
2) Range of lenses

For point 1 all the bigger cameras in a range are usually good, and are covered in buttons and dials for quick control. But they naturally get bigger, I solve this buy having a bigger body (Olympus EM1), and a small one, in the same system (Olympus PL5). The image quality is effectively the same, I take the one that fits my mood. There is a good camera size comparison site to get a feel, aslso weight of the whole system is a key metric for me.

There are few bad choices these days.
 

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There are so many bodies, brands and options that researching can be super difficult. I have spent days and days researching for my second body and it is never ending. Between reading reviews, watching reviews, and tons of forum posts, it can be a full time job and you still don't get all the information you really need. Autofocus performance and tracking is an example that is hard to quantify through research.

You might find this photographer's point of view to be useful:

https://visualsciencelab.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/the-best-way-to-test-your-new-camera-or.html

I agree with the blogger that reviews with a generalized approach are not very useful. I found that when I understood what features and specs really mattered for our important uses of our cameras, making the right choices was straightforward.
 

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You might find this photographer's point of view to be useful:

https://visualsciencelab.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/the-best-way-to-test-your-new-camera-or.html

I agree with the blogger that reviews with a generalized approach are not very useful. I found that when I understood what features and specs really mattered for our important uses of our cameras, making the right choices was straightforward.

Yes. In this regard I realize that I may in the wrong thread, although we all share a common love of photography.

I have spent a few hours reading the suggestions here and always come back to my roots: In my dreams, I am a Cartier-Bresson sort of guy. So, in the end I stumbled across a preview of the new Leica M10, a simple-ish near-manual rangefinder, and it looks like they may have finally stumbled back to the old magic. I always thought the Contact G2 was better for my purposes because of its zooming, parallax-compensating viewfinder, but they are no longer making cameras. So it looks like there may be an M10 in my future, pending the outcome of a thorough review.
 
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Tony and Chelsea have a nice youtube channel with pretty down to earth advice. I am not a fan of their skills as photographers but they do have a good ability to position products in the market -- both within the brand and outside. To that end, they are not a fan of 6D mark II. Worth a watch:

 
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Objective measurements are pretty damning on the Canon 6D Mark II. For the longest time, Canon was behind Sony/Nikon on low ISO noise. They used external ADC which was not as low noise as those onboard the CMOS sensor. They remedied that with their recent cameras like 5D Mark IV but seems they went a different route with the 6 D Mark II. Noise performance at low ISO may actually be slightly worse than the original! What are they thinking?

http://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Canon EOS 6D Mark II,Canon EOS 80D,Nikon D750

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